Transcript: CNN, Paula Zahn Now, May 19, 2006 (in part) regarding Opus Dei and the Da Vinci Code (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/19/pzn.01.html)
Interview with Colleen O'Neill, former Opus Dei numerary assistant
GALLAGHER: At the center of the controversy is a real-life group called Opus
Dei, unwillingly cast as the villains in Dan Brown's book and brought to life on
film by an evil bishop and a killer monk who lurks in shadows and whips himself
bloody.
But what is Opus Dei?
Opus Dei describes itself as a Catholic organization whose mission is to enable
people to serve God through work and everyday life. But in "The Da Vinci Code,"
Brown describes it as a deeply devout Catholic sect, a brainwashing cult and a
secret society.
Neither Brown nor the filmmakers are the first to cast Opus Dei in a negative
light. A handful of former members have made similar accusations on this Web
site, the Opus Dei Awareness Network, which claims to list the group's
questionable practices, like corporal mortification, aggressive recruitment and
alienation from families.
COLLEEN O'NEILL, FORMER OPUS DEI NUMERARY ASST.: The main target in Opus Dei is
to get people to join. They won't tell you that, but that's the focus, to get
more members.
GALLAGHER: Colleen is among them.
O'NEILL: They can coerce you, they play with your mind. Your parents are not
brought into the picture. You're not told exactly what you're getting into.
Looking at this makes me feel sad.
GALLAGHER: Colleen says she joined Opus Dei just out of high school, becoming
what's called a numerary assistant, which required her to make a life-long
commitment to celibacy, to working for Opus Dei and to living in an Opus Dei
residence.
For 20 years, Colleen cooked, cleaned and waited on other members, earning a
small paycheck that she says ultimately went back into Opus Dei coffers.
O'NEILL: Opus Dei preaches goodness and peace and love, but really what they do
is not ethical. You give up all your time, you give up all your money, you give
up all your possessions. You give up everything. Basically, living like a slave.
Because you have to do everything you're told and you're not given any money and
any freedom.
GALLAGHER: Last year, with the help of family, friends, an exit counselor and an
attorney, Colleen left Opus Dei for good.
O'NEILL: Opus Dei is a cult. And you know, I want people to know that a year
ago, I would have never said that. I still have nightmares every night that I'm
in Opus Dei and I can't get out.
GALLAGHER: Numerary members of Opus Dei, like Colleen used to be, are encouraged
to practice strict rituals, like corporal mortification -- striking themselves
with a knotted whip called the discipline, or wearing a spiked metal chain, the
cilice, as a reminder of Christ's suffering.
(on camera): The albino monk in "The Da Vinci Code" wears a cilice so tightly he
makes himself bleed. This is an actual cilice, worn by numeraries around their
bare thighs for two hours a day. You can see for yourself just how sharp these
spikes are. Depending on how tightly you tie it, it could be pretty painful.
REV. MICHAEL BARRETT, OPUS DEI PRIEST: Corporal mortification is harmless to
your health. It doesn't cause any physical damage whatsoever.
GALLAGHER (on-camera): It doesn't make you bleed?
BARRETT: Not a bit.
GALLAGHER: But I think what's so radical is that in the modern day people would
be doing this.
BARRETT: I don't think it's that radical. It's our way to connect with Christ.
In the most important moment when redemption takes place, he's suffering on the
cross, and we're trying to be in solidarity with him in that moment.
GALLAGHER (voice over): Reverend Michael Barrett insists that Opus Dei is not a
cult and that its members are not mistreated or forced to do anything. He thinks
that "Da Vinci Code" director Ron Howard should have left any mention of Opus
Dei out of the movie.
BARRETT: The trailers that I have seen are so sensational I have this little bit
of hope that maybe it's going to fall on its own foolishness.
GALLAGHER (on-camera): He says it's a work of fiction.
BARRETT: It's a work of fiction, but it still doesn't entitle a person to say
whatever he wants about real institutions.
GALLAGHER (voice over): Among those real institutions, Opus Dei's $47 million
headquarters on Lexington Avenue, described on the first page of "The Da Vinci
Code."
This is the actual building. It's 17 stories tall with separate entrances for
men and women. Inside, separate facilities divide male and female members called
numeraries who promise to remain single, childless and to living in an Opus Dei
residence. There are his or her chapels, dining rooms, classrooms and fitness
centers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the exercise room, also known as the torture
chamber.
GALLAGHER (on-camera): The real torture chamber.
(voice over): Tona Varela has been a numerary for 25 years. (on-camera): Two
hours you wear the cilice, for example, on the thighs.
TONA VARELA, OPUS DEI NUMERARY: Let me tell you, you get a little more
uncomfortable for two hours. And it is a little reminder, a little etch of
remembering, well, Christ died for me.
GALLAGHER: So it's not correct that it tears at the flesh?
VARELA: It does not do any harm to the body.
GALLAGHER (voice over): Not all members of Opus Dei are celibate. The majority
of the roughly 3,000 American members are what is called Supernumeraries. They
can marry, have children and live in their own homes. Terri Carron is one of
them.
TERRI CARRON, OPUS DEI SUPERNUMERARY: We are neither a cult nor a secret
society. Opus Dei is open to everyone. That's just it.
GALLAGHER: Aside from her commitments to Opus Dei, Terri is a wife, mother of
four and public relations consultant who goes to church every day and follows
the teachings of Opus Dei founder Josemaria Escriva, a Spanish priest who was
fast tracked to sainthood after his death. She says Opus Dei does not recruit
members.
(on-camera): So what is the difference between being a regular Catholic and
being a member of Opus Dei?
CARRON: Well, I mean, Opus Dei members are regular Catholics, but I think that
when you get to a point where you really want to deepen your Christian faith,
you have to find a spirituality that will help you develop. And Opus Dei is that
for me. You know, we're just people, lay Catholics looking for God in our
everyday life.
GALLAGHER: You don't have monks?
CARRON: We don't have monks, albino or otherwise.
GALLAGHER (voice over): Opus Dei asked Sony Pictures to add a disclaimer to the
movie, reminding viewers that it's fiction, but Ron Howard declined saying spy
thrillers don't start off with a disclaimers. Despite the negative publicity,
representatives for Opus Dei say 3 million people visited their web site just
last year and many inquired about joining.
(on-camera): What would you say to moviegoers of "The Da Vinci Code?"
BARRETT: I would say to see the movie with your eyes open, not to just take
things in as though everything presented is fact and true.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ZAHN: So Delia any reaction from Opus Dei headquarters to the film coming out?
GALLAGHER: Paula, I wanted to show you this. It's from an Italian paper, and
this man here is the actual head of Opus Dei worldwide. And he says Dan Brown
doesn't know it, but he has strengthened Opus Dei. So I think that about sums it
up in terms of what Opus Dei thinks about the whole "Da Vinci Code."
ZAHN: Of course some of tractors say wishful thinking. We'll continue to watch
from here. Delia Gallagher, thanks so much.
Right now, I want to turn now to one of the people we just met in Delia's
report, Colleen O'Neill, a former Opus Dei numerary assistant. Thanks so much
for joining us. We heard you talk about the 20 years that you were in Opus Dei.
You said it wasn't until a year ago that you would have called it a cult. What
was the tipping point for you? What happened?
O'NEILL: Well, my family intervened, and they got an exit counselor to show me
what a cult is and how people are brainwashed. And when she explained it to me,
I saw that, yes, Opus Dei, you know, falls under all of these categories. And I
thought, oh, my gosh.
ZAHN: And Opus Dei, as you know, denies this happened. How would you say Opus
Dei coerces people into joining the fold? And how did they brainwash you?
O'NEILL: Well, they -- well, I was a young kid. I was 17. And they started
telling me God has chosen you to be in Opus Dei, and it was never my idea. And
they put the fear of God into me and told me this is God's plan for you. And if
you don't do it, you're never going to be happy.
So I was scared, and I basically joined because I thought I was never going to
be happy if I didn't do anything else. And they tell that to everybody, you
know, that they think can be in Opus Dei because that's all they want is just
spread, spread, spread. And they take away every ounce of freedom you would ever
have in your life.
And they -- you think you're giving it up to God, but they just control
everything, everything. And they separate you from your family. You're
financially controlled. So it's very hard to leave. They'll tell you, oh, you
can leave, it's so easy, but you don't know everything when you get in. You just
don't know everything. You think you give your life up to God, and you don't
know what you're getting into.
ZAHN: Well of course, Colleen, as you know, there are still people, the 3,000
members or so who are quite happy there, but it is very interesting to hear your
perspective on all of this. We appreciate your joining us tonight. Quick yes or
no, do you plan to see the movie?
O'NEILL: I'm still thinking about it.
ZAHN: Yes, I understand. It will be pretty painful for you to try to relive some
of what you say you've been through. Colleen thank you, again, for your time
tonight. Moving up on just about 14 minutes before the hour. That means we're
right around the corner, that is, from "LARRY KING LIVE."